tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8728313260302675808.post1155910833445047954..comments2024-02-15T02:20:37.710-06:00Comments on My Dice Hate Me!: When did the 40K hobby become a competitive sport?Meatballhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18392265613551149975noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8728313260302675808.post-47570424091902736122009-11-17T18:08:09.981-06:002009-11-17T18:08:09.981-06:00I concur wholeheartedly! I honestly don't care...I concur wholeheartedly! I honestly don't care weather I win or lose. I'm all about having a good time with my hobby.<br><br>Wargaming is what I do to escape the stress of real life. The last thing I want to do is stress out about my wins or loses. <br><br>The tournament mentality is stifling the creativity in our hobby and it's fraking shameful.<br><br>Everyone should take the time to remember that 40k is a game, the rules are a guideline and it should be fun for both players. <br><br>So get out there and let your imaginations run wild!<br><br>-JimBig Jimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10363832056474538807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8728313260302675808.post-17889982268759369062009-11-17T18:40:29.157-06:002009-11-17T18:40:29.157-06:00Don't worry, there are plenty of us out there ...Don't worry, there are plenty of us out there that share your views, we just don't care enough about all the power gamers enough to make as much noise as them. At the end of the game, I want to make sure that not only did I have fun, so did my opponent. Sadly, last May I left a great bunch of gamers and now I am limited to playing at the local hobby store. They have thier good players too, but when I was with a club that was allowed to operate out of a communtiy center, it was awesome. I looked forward to each Saturday and would spend from noonish (sleeping in is nice) till they kicked us out at 10pm playing or watching Fantasy, 40K, Full Thrust, BattleFleet Gothic, Warmachine and even RPGs and Magic being played.<br>My Favorite moment from the hobby store has been when I chose to deep strike with a drop pod within 12 inches of the board edge and right in the middle of my enemies lines because I was trying to get my Wolf Guard Battle Leader with his saga BeastSlayer close to the only qualifying unit which was a squad of warwalkers. It was a tactical blunder and I knew it, but it was the type of thing I thought he should do. In the end, he got the two warwalkers, but the squad he was with all died to get him in assault with them.Spyrlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07861282058033709654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8728313260302675808.post-33169487854217045002009-11-17T19:04:32.323-06:002009-11-17T19:04:32.323-06:00I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment. You...I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment. You've made some really good points, and I share your fears to an extent. <br><br>However, if possible I would like to put your mind at ease with my own experiences within the hobby :)<br><br>While useful to some of us, the warhammer community found on the internet is not reflective of the gaming community at large. Generally, its only those who spend a significant part of their time with the hobby, the more 'hardcore' if you like, who will go through the trouble of making blogs and posting on internet forums.<br><br>I used to work as a GW staffer and another time in an indy store selling GW goods. Of all of the other young guys working there, I was the only one who spent significant time posting and reading as part of the online community. Some of the guys would take an occassional look on sites such as BoLS, but I think it says a great deal that even those who work within the industry might not necessarily take it seriously enough to go that extra step, and give the large amount of free time that the online community can require.<br><br>So, to cut a long-winded point short, I think that the online community is more a reflection of those guys who spend so much time making 'power lists'. Who are prepared to sit down and work out in mathematical terms the advantage of one unit rather than another, and for whom victory is that much more important simply because they are donating so much of their lives to it. I think possibly that if someone then says to them "I don't care, I just play for fun" then that might be perceived as making their own efforts less meaningful, a slight on what they deem to be important. You can see similar things happening in a lot of other special interest forums, be it discussing sports, films, music etc.<br><br>I still maintain that the vast majority of wargamers will choose to buy or field a unit or character because it looks good, or it tickles their fancy, rather than on a statline. All of us (and I mean _all_ when I say this) got into the game because of a particular painting/drawing, or the look of miniatures on the tabletop drew us in.<br><br>I still think this is the most important factor. The current 40k rulebook recently received an attacking article on 'the most important rule' - essentially GW saying, "remember why you are playing". A small, but very vocal, minority don't agree with this and posted comments saying this was an excuse for lazy rule making. For the other 95% of us who regularly paint, model and play and enjoy doing so, that 'most important rule' sits with us just fine I feel.<br><br>Just my thoughts on the matter!Pacifichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16474407197167592680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8728313260302675808.post-64019543621732635522009-11-17T19:26:53.870-06:002009-11-17T19:26:53.870-06:00I have two "hats" that I wear when playi...I have two "hats" that I wear when playing 40K.<br><br>The first "hat" is my usual Saturday game day. I am relaxed, looking for a good time, admiring others work, playing a few games, thumbing through the store's copy of the codices, looking at product for sale, chatting with the sales staff, maybe a little painting, helping younger/newer players get their feet wet, etc.<br><br>When it is tournament though, out comes my second "hat". I will not be "giving" you that last 1/4" to shoot me. I will be using the terrain to my advantage. I will manuever my forces to stymie yours. I will play in the most ruthless and cut throat manner. I will be nice about it. I am not going to cuss you, threaten you, or physically assault you, etc. I will shake your hand before and after. But, I will use my forces and the rules to win. Prizes and prestige are on the line. Death or Glory baby!<br><br>Afterwards, we can shoot the bull, grab a bite to eat, have a cold one, etc.<br><br>Patton says it best, "Americans traditionally love to fight. All real Americans love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, big league ball players, the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost, and will never lose a war... because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans."Brother Vizlanihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10652763954540262916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8728313260302675808.post-85455575025048480712009-11-17T20:02:14.721-06:002009-11-17T20:02:14.721-06:00Great comments all. I will add this, however. The ...Great comments all. I will add this, however. The day they make this a pre-painted game, I will quit it all together; no more Black Library, no more games, no more GW models and no more blog. I can tolerate anything else, but not that. That will be the thing that ruins this for hobbyists ... That and having models that pop out of a little ball and "evolve" as they fly through the air calling their coup de grace move by name ...Old School Terminatorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01304177224607153451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8728313260302675808.post-52952891729938699692009-11-18T02:21:29.096-06:002009-11-18T02:21:29.096-06:00Thanks Brother Vizlani, I now have a vision of Gen...Thanks Brother Vizlani, I now have a vision of General Pattern, reading that inspirational speech to a bunch of guys setting up a 1500pt Thursday evening game!Pacifichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16474407197167592680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8728313260302675808.post-60921666968046233452009-11-18T10:30:32.204-06:002009-11-18T10:30:32.204-06:00Nice post, I saw it this morning and got distracte...Nice post, I saw it this morning and got distracted but came back to it. Glad I did.<br>A good read.<br><br>The comment by Pacific was interesting, I too spend a good amount of time "online" and working on a blog but I wouldn't consider myself hardcore and I certainly don't build power lists.<br>I think I've tried to do just the opposite and promote the other aspects with FTW.<br>But that's another discussion.<br><br>As for playing competetively, I love the challenge of the game. I don't have a powerful army and that's a deliberate choice. I have what's really cool to me but I do my absolute best to make it work.<br><br>For me it comes down to playing a game with a well grounded opponent in a relaxed environment and spending a few hours moving "little men" around on the battlefield and forgetting about the stresses of "real life."RonSaikowskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03522498406401972832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8728313260302675808.post-43255849592733843962009-11-18T12:21:37.279-06:002009-11-18T12:21:37.279-06:00Thanks for your comment, Ron. I meant to say that ...Thanks for your comment, Ron. I meant to say that some of the bloggers and posters are focused on the competitive element of the game, not all. <br><br>Your own blog and the kind of ethos it promotes is evidence of that, please keep up the good work :)Pacifichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16474407197167592680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8728313260302675808.post-91338224150400045762009-11-18T15:43:53.298-06:002009-11-18T15:43:53.298-06:00Well guys thanks for restoring my faith in 40K. I ...Well guys thanks for restoring my faith in 40K. I am pleasantly surprised to see many other likeminded individuals out there.<br><br>I completely under stand Brother Vizlani when he talks about the 2 hats ones for friendly play and one for tournament play. He sounds like the type of player I would enjoy playing either a friendly game with or competitively at a tournament.<br><br>Anyway thanks for the responses adn for letting me vent a little our here in cyberspace.<br><br>-BJBJhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18392265613551149975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8728313260302675808.post-90260586300403204212009-11-18T21:36:37.609-06:002009-11-18T21:36:37.609-06:00BJ if you ever find yourself in the North Houston ...BJ if you ever find yourself in the North Houston area, drop me a line.Brother Vizlanihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10652763954540262916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8728313260302675808.post-48339625365220337582009-11-18T21:55:28.743-06:002009-11-18T21:55:28.743-06:00Thanks. The topic you hit on is one reason why I s...Thanks. The topic you hit on is one reason why I shy away from playing with people at my local store, and only play with my brother. <br><br>I do this for fun. I would like to win what ever game I'm playing, but I want to have fun. I want to be making jokes and wondering why way huge Dreadnaught can open up with a gatling gun and hit nothing but sky.Barryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00719735428427169600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8728313260302675808.post-48308339683511707412009-11-20T20:41:58.678-06:002009-11-20T20:41:58.678-06:00I find that some of my hard fought losses are more...I find that some of my hard fought losses are more memorable then my hard fought wins.Alexanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05699246659180747965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8728313260302675808.post-79809827069014012032009-11-21T07:56:30.308-06:002009-11-21T07:56:30.308-06:00I'll agree with Lucas.Those close battles are ...I'll agree with Lucas.<br>Those close battles are the best ones.RonSaikowskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03522498406401972832noreply@blogger.com